Waldner Reverse Pendulum Serve
Table Tennis Serving
Last updated 7 years ago
Siddhartha Raja Asked 11 years ago
Sir,
i want to know how to do the Waldner reverse topspin pendulum serve.
Jeff Plumb Answered 11 years ago
Hi Siddhartha,
Waldner was an incredible server but I don't think he used the reverse pendulum serve very often. This serve became popular when he was in the later stages of his career.
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Reynel Obordo Posted 11 years ago
Never seen J.O uses reverse pendulum serves before, but J.O has lots of serve with different styles and variations..and he is the best table tennis player of all time...
if you want to know some of his awesome serves, try to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESfIhnYKdoQ
Marius Darian Posted 7 years ago
After his serve he sometimes flicked his wrist to the right, like in a reverse pendulum serve, but he never actually used the reverse pendulum.
Johan B Posted 7 years ago
Well, his trademark down the line serve is technically a reverse pendulum? Very similar to Zhang Jike's, starting with a normal pendulum and then going the other direction
Marius Darian Posted 7 years ago
I don't think so. It's true that the service motion was ZJK-like, but on most of his trademark down-the-line serves he didn't put reverse sidespin (most were nospin/very light spin).
Johan B Posted 7 years ago
The pendulum is reverse, not the sidespin. Don't let the lefties hear you say right-hand centric stuff like that ;)
Marius Darian Posted 7 years ago
Sorry, but I don't get it.
When Timo Boll does a serve where the ball curves to a right handed receiver's backhand (same sidespin as a regular pendulum for a right hander), we still call it "Timo Boll's reverse pendulum serve". Why would a left-hander call a right hander's pendulum "reverse"? It doesn't make sense.
Johan B Posted 7 years ago
No, I'm saying it doesn't matter if Waldner puts much side spin on his serve or not, it's still reverse, cuz the motion is reverse
Marius Darian Posted 7 years ago
If I do a pendulum serve and after the contact I flick my wrist the other way, it is not a reverse pendulum serve in my opinion, it's a pendulum serve. The contact point matters.
What do other people think about this?
Johan B Posted 7 years ago
Yes, but if you flick before contacting, it is, something Waldner did occasionally, I'd say. In essence it's no different from for example Zhang Jike's serve (who does the exact same motion for normal and reverse pendulum)
Marius Darian Posted 7 years ago
Sorry, but I disagree again...
Watch "[Close-up view] Zhang Jike Pendulum Serve", by Linxu Wu (on Youtube),at 0:28 and 0:31. That is Zhang Jike's motion for a pendulum serve, not the one where he flicks his bat towards his forehand corner. Or, since Fan Zhendong's serve is a copy of Zhang Jike's, watch "Fan Zhendong: Rise of a Champion", by TT Tributes, and look at his service motion in the first point (against Samsonov).
D K Posted 7 years ago
Marius,to make thing clear:
Pendulum serve is when you contact the ball while swinging TOWARDS YOUR BODY.
Reversed pendulum serve is when you do it while swinging AWAY FROM YOUR BODY.
In other words,during Pendulum serve you BEND your wrist,whereas during Reverse pendulum you EXTEND your wrist.
D K Posted 7 years ago
Note that when the CONTACT POINT is made is the important thing.
Marius Darian Posted 7 years ago
I agree, but why did you say this?
D K Posted 7 years ago
It seemed that you are confused.
Maybe I oversaw some comments.
Marius Darian Posted 7 years ago
I was confused when Johan said "Don't let the lefties hear tou say right-handed centric stuff like that".
D K Posted 7 years ago
Ah,ok :)
Speaking of lefties,I consider them more comfortable opponents :)