Topspin Against Various Spins and Lengths

Table Tennis Strokes and Technique

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Sally Mander

Sally Mander Asked 13 years ago

How does the topspin stroke vary with the various spins of balls you are recieving, and if they are long or really long? thx


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb Answered 13 years ago

Hi Sally,

With a backspin ball your stroke needs to be more vertical to lift the backspin. Off a topspin ball you need to come forward more and don't need to lift the ball as the topspin already on the ball will kick up off your bat. This means you need to close the angle of your bat more against a topspin ball.

With the length of the ball, the key is to get into a good position using your footwork. You really want the ball to be the same distance from your body every time you play the forehand. This makes it possible to play the same stroke every time.

We've put together a short video response to help make this a bit clearer. 


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jalal l

jalal l Posted 10 years ago

how about returning sidespin?


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 10 years ago

You can sidespin it back or just hit a straight topspin but allow for the sidespin by angling your racket.


jalal l

jalal l Posted 10 years ago

thanks a lot for the quick and helpful response. Angling is like in the video? (i.e. racket surface moves towards the floor or ceiling?) 


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 10 years ago

Yes that is correct.


jalal l

jalal l Posted 10 years ago

Thanks again for the fast and helpful response. I am intrigued by a related question which popped up. Following is an attempt to word the question - Can movement of the wrist in a plane parallel to the arm (and hence of the surface of the racket which would move from say horizontal position to a vertical position with the surface facing the wall) provide some help, if any, against sidespin? Other clarification- The movement would be in a plane perpendicular to the previous response.

Best Regards,

jalal


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 10 years ago

Hi Jalal,

Not really sure of your meaning.  If you can send through a video of what you mean that would be the best.


Dunni Oluwayemi

Dunni Oluwayemi Posted 10 years ago

what bat are they using

 


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 10 years ago

We are using the PingSkills Touch with Vega Pro.


Arnab Ghosh

Arnab Ghosh Posted 10 years ago

What is the ideal distance away from my body while hitting the forehand topspin?


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 10 years ago

Hi Arnab,

For any hitting think about the position away from the body as the position you would catch a ball when it was thrown to you.  For a stronger topspin, this could be slight further away.


parham parham

parham parham Posted 9 years ago

hello 

in one country (iran) we cant access to youtube & some site like it .  Please put a download link of videos for people of one country :) --- thanks ---

i can watch this video hardly but its so hard for normal people . --- sorry but i  dont know english very good! --- & thanks again


Andrew Pape

Andrew Pape Posted 8 years ago

Hi,

I want to FH loop against topspin serves but have trouble doing this, often lifting the ball off the table. In general, if I follow upwards with the bat for a normal loop drive, no problem. But when I close the bat face over the ball to prevent it flying off the table, my arm gets more horizontal and I lose control. I think that that if my elbow gets higher than the bat height, I lose control of the shot. It feels wrong too. Maybe the bat should always be either horizontal with respect to the elbow, or slightly higher, for this early timed shot? I have watched Wang Tao's smother-loop style, when he has an almost horizontal arm and takes the ball on the rise from a mm behind the table. I realise he was unique with his shot and that it's probably foolish to try to emulate it. I still can't picture the basic action, though.. is there a safe way of playing a similar shot consistently (say more slowly and further away from the table) without having to be a world champ?


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 8 years ago

Hi Andrew,

Haven't heard form you for a while.  The stroke can just be a bit more vertical if you are looking for more safety.  Try not to get your elbow above the bat.  Just allow the bat to come through finishing above the elbow level.


Andrew Pape

Andrew Pape Posted 8 years ago

Hi Alois,

I forgot to say "I'll be back" (!)

Thanks for your help. Maybe it would also help to start the stroke with both body and bat lower, given that I'm relatively tall. Then an upward follow-through (above elbow) would still finish lower than for a normal loop-drive and the ball might not be lifted off the table. Perhaps Wang Tao's short stature helped him play his on-the-rise FH loop?

 

 


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 8 years ago

Haha, thanks Arnie...

Yes getting down lower will definitely help as well.


alireza zeinoddini

alireza zeinoddini Posted 7 years ago

hi mr alois

i couldn't see your videos because it was unable to connect.


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

Hi Alireza,

Are you able to watch YouTube videos? If so it should be OK now.


kathy mckelvey

kathy mckelvey Posted 7 years ago

Good video!! Thank's


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

Glad you liked it Kathy.


ed holmes

ed holmes Posted 7 years ago

I could not receive the vidio.


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

What is happening when you try to click on the video Ed?


Nagaraj Hegde

Nagaraj Hegde Posted 7 years ago

I think i get what jelal is trying to say. It is effective as long as you give your opponent a spinny ball. as you can't get that speed when your bat more vertically, perpendicular to the table. yes, it is effective against sidespin services, but you do need to add a lot of spin. 


Nam Nguyen Hoai

Nam Nguyen Hoai Posted 7 years ago

Very useful video, thank Alois and Jeff much!


SUBHRAJYOTI BANERJEE

SUBHRAJYOTI BANERJEE Posted 7 years ago

Thamks. Very usefull tip. But I am facing massive problem in returning short lenght balls close to the net with heavy backspin. These are very tempting to be hit but I am catching the net. How to generate heavy topspin with pace especially when I can not start from knee high as the ball short.

Coaches, Please help me....


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

If the ball is short with heavy backspin you simply aren't going to be able to hit it as hard as if it were longer and you could play a full swing. You have a couple of options in this case.

  1. Push it back short so your opponent can't attack (defensive)
  2. Push it long and deep and hope to catch your opponent off guard (defensive)
  3. Flick the ball (attacking)

We have tutorials on these strokes in our Strokes and Techniques section.


SUBHRAJYOTI BANERJEE

SUBHRAJYOTI BANERJEE Posted 7 years ago

Thanks a lot Jeff...


SUBHRAJYOTI BANERJEE

SUBHRAJYOTI BANERJEE Posted 7 years ago

And please also tell me Jeff if the same short ball is very high should I go for a smash. And if so, what would be the bat angle.

 


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

If the ball is high, at least shoulder height then you can smash it.  Your bat angle will be quite flat but it needs to be angled slightly down to get the ball to go onto the table.


SUBHRAJYOTI BANERJEE

SUBHRAJYOTI BANERJEE Posted 7 years ago

Great. Thanks Alois. I think some opponents of mine have a big reason to worry tonight.


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

Haha hopefully! 


Sahit Reddy

Sahit Reddy Posted 7 years ago

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I felt very eager to watch this video.If you mind , I wish you send me this video,with the name "your opponents weak spot".Please can you give me this video?I don't mind if it to me late or don't give the video completely.


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

Hi Sahit,

Sorry we have a lot of free videos on the site from which you can learn a lot of skills. I hope you understand we have to keep some videos premium to keep our business viable.



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