Kenta Matsudaira's Sidespin Block

Table Tennis Strokes and Technique

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Abhinav Upadhyay

Abhinav Upadhyay Asked 5 years ago

Hi Alois/Jeff,

I recently came across this video where Kenta Matsudaira is shown doing sidespin blocks which looks very effective. Can you explain what is he doing there? It feels like along with the sidespin he is also generating some backspin as well. Is this what they call a chop block? It would be great if you could do a video on how to learn this stroke and when to use it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zWyHqwufDw


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario Answered 5 years ago

Hi Abhinav,

He can put backspin as well as sidespin on the block.  It is a great shot and one more of the young Japanese players are using now.

Hopefully a few Premium members will vote for this one to get a video happening.  It is a fun shot to try.


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Abhinav Upadhyay

Abhinav Upadhyay Posted 5 years ago

I have voted :)


Phillip Simmons

Phillip Simmons Posted 5 years ago

I would like to see the video.

 


Xavi Gordillo

Xavi Gordillo Posted 5 years ago

I would like to see the video.

 


Gordon Hume

Gordon Hume Posted 5 years ago

Yep, me too, please.  laughing


Fidel Salazar

Fidel Salazar Posted 5 years ago

Amazing video Jeff and Alois. The slow motion footage is great and helps me understand the shot easily. Definitely a very good weapon for every advanced player's arsenal of strokes. Thanks guys!


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 5 years ago

Hi Fidel,

I love the slow motion footage too!


Keno Haken

Keno Haken Posted 5 years ago

Thanks Jeff Plumb for making the video, easy to understand

 


AkulBylvaChakk Dave-ABCD

AkulBylvaChakk Dave-ABCD Posted 5 years ago

Is it possible to do the same block with forehand?

 


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 5 years ago

I guess it is.  Give it a try and see how it goes.


Eliot Bartley

Eliot Bartley Posted 5 years ago

I  tend use that by accident a lot, very interesting


Kaustubh Kulkarni

Kaustubh Kulkarni Posted 5 years ago

Thank for the video. Now I can do sidespin and backspin blocks effectively.smile I tried to do the same with forehand, but its quite difficult for me.


eduardo espinosa

eduardo espinosa Posted 5 years ago

Hi, Alois. I believe this stroke also adds confusion of the opponent by sending the ball in a unexpected direction.


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 5 years ago

It does do that Eduardo.  Can be really effective but it is a difficult stroke to execute as well.


eduardo espinosa

eduardo espinosa Posted 5 years ago

I know a man in my club that does that quite a lot with both f/h and b/h. He plays w/. pips and stuck to the table.


Keno Haken

Keno Haken Posted 5 years ago

Please make the video , I vote Yes

 


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 5 years ago

It is already there.  Take a look above.


Fetish Madez

Fetish Madez Posted 5 years ago

Thanks for the video coach! :D sealed


martinand bernard

martinand bernard Posted 4 years ago

interesting, i shall try


eduardo espinosa

eduardo espinosa Posted 4 years ago

All of us that have played for a while are familiar w/ this shot in some degree. Matsudaira does it in a professional level. It is a known fact that in a hard exchange over the table the ball can be answered more or less in the same direction that is coming. To change that trend as drastically as he does it you have to be really skilled.


Yap Zhi De

Yap Zhi De Posted 4 years ago

Hi Alois

           Is jeff doing this shot using a normal rubber?

 


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 4 years ago

Yes, I was using Xiom Vega Pro.


Roger Adams

Roger Adams Posted 4 years ago

Excellent demo Jeff, It's all in the wrist!


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 4 years ago

Thanks Roger!


table-tennis player

table-tennis player Posted 4 years ago

Its so sad for me.

I can't do this amazing thing.

as im im using a Anti-spin rubber


Suvankar Sarkar

Suvankar Sarkar Posted 4 years ago

Sir, Please give me a video tutorial for hammer brush serve


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 4 years ago

Hi Suvankar,

Unfortunately for you it is a Premium lesson.  However, you can sign up for even one month and you will be able to see it and all of the other Premium lessons.


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

Can these blocks be done with forehand?
Or a longpimpled backhand?


Johan B

Johan B Posted 4 years ago

You can find Ma Long doing a "windmill block" on YouTube, which is basically the same on the forehand

Of course you can do it with LP? The contact is the same as for a normal chop


Hendrik S

Hendrik S Posted 4 years ago

Im not too sure if u can do this block with LP and create your own sidespin...


Johan B

Johan B Posted 4 years ago

Well yes, but you can still do the stroke :)


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

Johan:
Do you know about any video where he uses that forehand block?

Hendrik:I know that it will me more difficult to create my own sidespin with longpips.
But although hard it is still possible,as I can use my opponent's speed to make the brush quicker...
And if it will be unsuccessful,opponent can still think that there is a sidespin and miss the table...


Johan B

Johan B Posted 4 years ago

https://youtu.be/Umtu6CEP2GQ

 

This is the vid I meant, DK


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

Thanks Johan
Oh....professional shot.
But I meant if the sidespin/backspin block is truly possible on the forehand side.
Ma Long,despite using hsi forehand,has used it on his backhand side


Johan B

Johan B Posted 4 years ago

Just chop the ball like a tomahawk serve.. Kenta Matsudaira does it quite regularly, and I've seen it done by Zhang Jike and other people as well. It's just like a normal forehand chop but your bat is pointing more forward do you hit the ball at this angle: o/


Johan B

Johan B Posted 4 years ago

And the Matsudaira backhand block in the video is easier to do on your forehand side. That's why Jeff has to side step even wider to the backhand to pull it off


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

Oh...that tomahawk...
OK,I will try it.
I want to master all strokes that are defensive.


Hendrik S

Hendrik S Posted 4 years ago

Yea, just try it out and let us know if it works :P


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

WOW
I have tried this stroke today at the tournament and it seemed to work.
As my opponent always opened the bat and it bounced fast off his opened bat it looked as a heavy side/backspin.
But it had no curve.
Any idea why?


Johan B

Johan B Posted 4 years ago

Because you use a funny rubber? Or because your bat was moving straight down when you struck the ball?


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

No I have done it with inverted rubber.

I tried to copy Jeff's movement.
Maybe the ball hit the bat in the different spot.

 


Allen Papapetrou

Allen Papapetrou Posted 4 years ago

@ D K:

I would try to copy Kenta rather than Jeff. Why? Jeff was always doing "Kenta's: sidespin block down the line. Whereas Kenta block was more toward the middle line. Also, Kenta appeared to use more sidespin than Jeff.

I sense that Kenta's block would be more difficult to return than Jeff's since Jeff's return provide more space without the table interfering than Kenta's.

Also, Kenta was contacting the ball more to his right. One of his returns was virtually a backhand from his forehand.

I'm practicing Kenta's sidespin block by transforming it into a backhand serve. I'm finding as a serve the stroke requires heavy inside-out sidespin, low, moderately short, and just to the forehand side of the middle line. When I serve it down the line I've found the receiver has an easier time returning it with inside-out sidestop.


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

Maybe there are some subtle differences,but I am unable to see them.
My sight is very bad after all


Allen Papapetrou

Allen Papapetrou Posted 4 years ago

@D K:

The free VLC video player will let you slow down the playback even of slow motion. I've found that I must repeatedly watch a stroke in slomo before I see all that's happening.


Allen Papapetrou

Allen Papapetrou Posted 4 years ago

@Jeff and Alois:

What are the counters to Kenta's Sidespin block? Both defensive and offensive. Or...

What would Waldner do?


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 4 years ago

Hi Allen,

We use VLC a lot and find it really effective.

As far as how to counter the sidespin block, the offensive counter would be to make a topspin stroke.  You need to brush the ball heavily to get the ball spinning the way you want it to. Defensively you can chop it back, allowing for the sidespin in particular.

What would Waldner do?... whatever he wanted cool... He may even do a sidespin push stroke or a sidespin topspin back.


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

I also use VLC but I do not know any way how to apply it on  avideo that is online

Haha,Waldner could also smash it if it would be high enough,right?


Allen Papapetrou

Allen Papapetrou Posted 4 years ago

@D K's comment: "I also use VLC but I do not know any way how to apply it on  avideo that is online"

Screen capture programs are one way to create video files w/o download. Also programs like aTube Capture will download and save many videos.

The website alternativeto.net, this links to a search for alternatives to "atube capture".

I use Kazam to screen capture videos in Linux Mint and ZD Recorder in Windows. I use aTube Capture to DL videos in Windows. I have a Mac but don't use it for saving videos.

Finally, while I haven't found a way to save an online video in VLC, it will let you play them and use slow motion, at least in Linux VLC 2.1.6:

To play in VLC:

1 Use Menu: Media>Open Network Stream...

2 In dialog box paste the URL (like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zWyHqwufDw for Kenta's YT video)

3 Click the play button

4 Watch the video at different speeds depending upon the Menu: Playback>Speed settings

Trust this helps.


D K

D K Posted 4 years ago

Ooh...this is too complicated for me :DDD
I am not so skilled in using so advanced programs


Farhan Hashim

Farhan Hashim Posted 4 years ago

I am using it but very rarely & mine doesn't grip or sidespin much & i do it during backhand to backhand counter rally so the level is low but the thing is that during back to back counter rally whenever i do the kenta side (or a soft version) i do get most of the points


eduardo espinosa

eduardo espinosa Posted 3 years ago

Seems to me that this shot comes right from the "ping-pong zone".


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 3 years ago

Haha, maybe an uptown derivation.


eduardo espinosa

eduardo espinosa Posted 3 years ago

I can picture Mr. Matsudaira insisting on practicing the shot when the coach wasn't looking.


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 3 years ago

That is a funny image Eduardo.


kathy mckelvey

kathy mckelvey Posted 3 years ago

So interesting!  however,   I feel it takes time and experience to master all the different spins. Challenging though,  I hope I can  recognize them soon. I'm probably doing some spins that I'm totally unaware of!   thank's Alois and Jeff for your great videos.


eduardo espinosa

eduardo espinosa Posted 3 years ago

When you have to win, do whatever you have to do; even "inventing" or refining a shot you improvised and it worked! If I don't remember wrong, I think I saw Waldner doing a "similar" shot against Grubba in 1989 World Cup.


Mike Garland

Mike Garland Posted 2 years ago

Alois as a premium member can I download videos such as these from your website?

Thanks 

Mike


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 2 years ago

Hi Mike,

These ask the coach videos that are available for all members are currently not available for download. If it's a premium member only ask the coach response then you can download it, but unfortunately the ask the coach videos that everyone can view, you can't just yet. But since they are free you will always be able to watch them.

On a side note, we are currently working on a big website restructure, and as part of that we'll make all of these videos downloadable for premium members too! It's still at least a few weeks away but we are pretty excited about this!


Jean Balthazar

Jean Balthazar Posted 2 years ago

If you open the video in YouTube, there are plenty of plugins that will allow you to download the video. Check what is available for you browser.


Mike Garland

Mike Garland Posted 2 years ago

Thanks everyone



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